Compu-Text, inloggn. 870310, mötet Speakers Corner 1987-03-10 Klockan 20:28 Läsa (inlägg) 48 - Text 48 1987-03-09 Klockan+22:12 Skrivet ev: Lars-Erik Svhn #46 KommenTcr till text 45 av Ian Feldman #88 Ärende: Was Lisbet Palme shot at? This is a comment to both text 44 and 45. As always, the only thing a witness can do, is to inform! Information doesn't have to be thrue or relevant. This murder might be an extraordinary murder, but there!is nothing extraordinary about the information actually being known. There is absolutely no reason to neglect information from witness, without having analysed it! And now to the question about Lisbet. There are about ten witness, who sees when the murderer shot the second shot. He shot it exactly when Lisbet turn around and saw her husband following down. That is the official explanation to the miss. But why didn't he shot again? Several witness saw the murderer standing above Lisbet staring at her. The murderer loked at Lisbet, and Lisbet looked at Olof. Maybe the murderer considererd a third shot - maybe spoiling a part of the plan - but found out that Lisbet was to chocked to have seen anything dangerous? (Slut på text 48 av Lars-Erik Svahn) (Kommentar i text 54 av Ian Feldman) Läsa (inlägg) 49 - Text 49 1987-03-09 Klockan 22:30 Skrivet av: Lars-Erik Svahn #46 Kommentar till text 46 av Ian Feldman #88 Ärende: just another murder theory... I cant see the problem with the lit? Then he sees how to shot. I dont think it matter at all. From the place of the murder, it was possible for a runner to escape from cars and people with an ordinary physics. After one minute runing, he come to a new part of town (Birger Jarlsgatan) there no one, had the slightest idea of what was happening at Sveavägen. And there a car waited. There also was some other security arranged for the murderer, but I haven't got the time to explain rigth now! (Slut på text 49 av Lars-Erik Svahn) Läsa (inlägg) 50 - Text 50 1987-03-09 Klockan 22:38 Skrivet av: Lars-Erik Svahn #46 Kommentar till text 47 av Ian Feldman #88 Ärende: will they ever get him?? Maybe I will explain someday! But then I must first present some information I got. If you then draw the same conclutions as me, about the number of murderers, you will understand the theory of the way they planned it! (Slut på text 50 av Lars-Erik Svahn) Läsa (inlägg) 51 - Text 51 1987-03-10 Klockan 00:17 Skrivet av: Åke Storck #206 Ärende: The Murder of Olof Palme. This discussion's been going on quite a while now. Some of the theories are rather interesting. However, I think one thing is very important to have in mind. All these theories, or at least most of them, are based on articles in the newspapers. And as I'm sure you already know, these papers write a lot of garbage. Not all of it of course, but very much of it. I don't think any of you were there, at least I wasn't. So I guess we'll never find out the truth, how could we? At last, I7m sure there are some more things possible to discuss here, apart from the murder. Strange things are happening with my modem right now, so I'd better end this. Yours Sincerely Åke Storck. (Slut på text 51 av Åke Storck) (Kommentar i text 55 av Lars-Erik Svahn) Läsa (inlägg) 52 - Text 52 1987-03-10 Klockan 01:03 Skrivet av: Harald Fragner #201 Kommentar till text 42 av Lars-Erik Svahn #46 Ärende: will they ever get him?? Intelligence-services always seem to know more than anyone 'outside' could even imagine. But still I believe they would have stopped the murder if they had been able too. I can't see how to draw the conclusions you draw, based on the facts known about the murder. I'm not saying that the police WASN'T involved, but I don't see that there is any evidence of them BEING involved. It's very strange that some police-vehicles were seen near the place of the murder, but don't they always drive along the roads of Stckholm City? And why should the police have there cars around, when they planned a murder? To be sure to get OP anyway, if the killer didn't succeed? I don't think so... Perhaps you're forgetting something. The police consists of people too, just like you and me. (Slut på text 52 av Harald Fragner) (Kommentar i text 53 av Åke Storck) (Kommentar i text 56 av Lars-Erik Svahn) Läsa (inlägg) 53 - Text 53 1987-03-10 Klockan 01:26 Skrivet av: Åke Storck #206 Kommentar till text 52 av Harald Fragner #201 Ärende: will they ever get him?? I think you're right about that. fore being involved in the murder of Olof Palme, israther absurd. And if some persons, from the police, have been involved, then I don't think we can blame the entire policeforce for that. Can we? And I don't think the polie in any country would getinvolved in a murder, on someone like Palme, without a very good reason. And I don't think there ever was one. Åke/ (Slut på text 53 av Åke Storck) (Kommentar i text 58 av Harald Fragner) Läsa (inlägg) 54 - Text 54 1987-03-10 Klockan 07:01 Skrivet av: Ian Feldman #88 Kommentar till text 48 av Lars-Erik Svahn #46 Ärende: Was Lisbet Palme shot at? You claim that there are "about ten witnesses who (register) the murderer shooting the second shot", possibly aiming at L P. As far as I know no one, save for Lisbet Palme (who was too dis- tressed to pay any attention to murderer anyway), saw the shots being fired. There are but one or two very vague reports of a man fleeing up the stairs of Snickarbacken. So the original question about Lisbet Palme being alive remains unanswered.... a professional killer would have taken the EXTRA time required to finish the job with as many bullets as it took (remember bullets come cheap).... And who ever heard about an escaping _professional_ assasin preparing for and subsequently fleeing UP THE STAIRS and thereby exposing himself ALL THE WAY UP to observations from below and/or bullets-in-pursuit? Not to mention fleeing away from no-matter-how- -you-look-at-it the _unfinished_ piece of work down there, when conditions were more or less perfect (no people around, quiet friday night) to finish it properly.... meaning: AT LEAST not leaving any potential witnesses to the very act of murder..... Fleeing up the stairs just doesn't make any sense if you consider that there are at least two alternative routes away from the scene - left or right along Luntmakaragatan..... (Slut på text 54 av Ian Feldman) (Kommentar i text 57 av Lars-Erik Svahn) Läsa (inlägg) 55 - Text 55 1987-03-10 Klockan 15:12 Skrivet av: Lars-Erik Svahn #46 Kommentar till text 51 av Åke Storck #206 Ärende: This boring, important and secret information! maybe you are right? maybe we should discuss something else here... One interesting question to discuss is - information! The term information has got a very bad reputation! A lot of people feel very insecure when they meet information: From who does this information come? How do I know this isn't lies? Maybe someone is trying to make a fool of me? What shall I do with all this information? Etc... But - information is all there is! There is nothing but information! Probably you think I'm overacting - evidently I am overacting! Let me give you some information about information: A theory of information should not use terms as true or false! Because that is another theory: logic. A theory of information is a theory of pictures, theories, images, illustrations, models, maps, texts, photos, drawings, metaphores, statements, knowledge, notes, reports, messages... Information is pictures of pictures! The matter of true pictures is a matter of logic, religion, philosophy, politics, love, madness... but not a matter of information! I my opinion, the term information is a rather smart term! It give us an oppurtunity to understand. Understand the world around us. From information comes intelligence! The intelligence service of the army, for example, collect information and put it together to 'intelligence': analysed and synthesized information. We are all very depending on our informations: the police, there army, the court, the buisnessman, the teacher, the hacker, the newsman... Maybe we like to think about our own informations, as the true... And thereby we get very upset when that other guy, are telling us that foolish things we dont even want to listening to. There is a matematical theory, precisely aimed to solve this problem with information: category-theory. This theory is for information, what aritmetics is for numbers! I dont hope anyone had come to the conclusion that I doesen't believe in truth? Because I do belive in truth and I dont believe in lies! But science and information is not a matter of believe - it is a matter of an developement of the knowledge. Remark: this is not true - it is information! (Slut på text 55 av Lars-Erik Svahn) (Kommentar i text 59 av Harald Fragner) Läsa (inlägg) 56 - Text 56 1987-03-10 Klockan 16:24 Skrivet av: Lars-Erik Svahn #46 Kommentar till text 52 av Harald Fragner #201 Ärende: will they ever get him?? I cant prove that the police, the army and the intelligence service was involved. But Holme'r gives us another way to work: indications! And I dont overacting saying: my information indicates they are involved! I dont really believe EVERY police, army-man or agent is involved! And I certainly dont think the operation is approved from the top! Only small people with small minds, had anything to WIN in the murder. The army works with plans running at long times, and there are no way for them to use the murder of OP. (Slut på text 56 av Lars-Erik Svahn) Läsa (inlägg) 57 - Text 57 1987-03-10 Klockan 16:37 Skrivet av: Lars-Erik Svahn #46 Kommentar till text 54 av Ian Feldman #88 Ärende: Was Lisbet Palme shot at? Ok! I get your points! But I am moving my texts to "Veckans.." Because the discussion is to difficult for me to do in english. (Slut på text 57 av Lars-Erik Svahn) Läsa (inlägg) 58 - Text 58 1987-03-10 Klockan 19:51 Skrivet av: Harald Fragner #201 Kommentar till text 53 av Åke Storck #206 Ärende: will they ever get him?? I think you've got yourself a point there. IF the police was involved, how many policemen were actually in it? Ten? No way.... How many policemen would take an order concerning the murder of OP? And HOW would anyone ask them to do so? It'd far to risky to ask anyone at all.... Maybe a couple of them, who had stuck together for a long while got some strange ideas about Swedish society, and considered doing something about it. But I can see no reason for them being policemen, and if they were policemen, the odds are that they were quite isolated from the rest of the 'policeforce'. H. (Slut på text 58 av Harald Fragner) Läsa (inlägg) 59 - Text 59 1987-03-10 Klockan 20:06 Skrivet av: Harald Fragner #201 Kommentar till text 55 av Lars-Erik Svahn #46 Ärende: This boring, important and secret information! You're absolutely right! There is no way anyone could know anything, not for sure! (Slut på text 59 av Harald Fragner) -textslut-